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    Hm… I curiously checked my phone, deleted images/videos are still deleted and haven’t resurfaced. Then again I don’t mix technology with nudity. /shrug

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      I love mixing technology with nudity. But I have also avoided this problem because I don’t mix technology and Apple.

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      There are tons of reasons to take nude photos… you often have to send in nude photos for the beginning stages of surgery consultations.

      And sexting is fun.

      This comment comes across insanely judgemental of the individual, when the issue is that Apple deleting data and thus violating privacy.

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        Yeah… I think I’d rather do that in person than to video record or take images of myself nude. Privacy and security is a pretty big deal to me. Hence, I don’t mix technology with nudity.

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          You’ve never been in a long distance relationship? And as I said, some people need to take nudes for medical reasons. It’s not a hypothetical situation, I know multiple people who have done this.

          It’s fine that you have your own personal philosophy for taking nudes, but your post is coming off as judgemental of those who do.

          It’s not the individual’s fault, it’s Apple’s fault for being unclear about what the delete feature is actually doing.

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            Hm… I never felt a need to expose myself (using tech) to another person to feel validated or to get their (or my) rocks off or for any other reason, honestly. I’m not trying be morally superior, I’m just saying I don’t expose myself with technology as a medium. In fact, I’ve never posted a photo of myself on any social media. I take privacy and security seriously.

            Plus look at the consequences of exposing yourself to others through tech… blackmail, image-based abuse/exploitation, revenge p*rn etc…

            My initial comment was simply stating that Apple’s latest update hasn’t undeleted any of my photos/videos in general but that then again I don’t have any nude images/videos on my iphone/iCloud storage if the claim is that nude images/videos exclusively are getting undeleted.

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        It’s not just nudes, though. This could happen for any deleted picture. I’m not really expecting them to zero out the file system block or anything, but this implies they’re not even doing file system level deletion.

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    can’t wait for my personally hosted, and managed hardware server to start serving me shit i never put up in the first place.

    Oh wait that won’t happen, because i host it, and it’s mine, and i own it.

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    I still don’t get why people take pictures of themselves being nude and complained when it got leak because data breach

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    I appreciate this thread’s nuanced discussion of how file deletion works from a technical standpoint depending on storage medium. But as a user, when I delete something, it should go away forever. I don’t care how.

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      It’s to prevent you from accidentally deleting a photo you would never want to delete. If you want to make sure it’s deleted, you just go into the Photos app and delete it from the Recently Deleted folder. I prefer this approach, as I have accidentally deleted a photo that I did not mean to, and luckily it was still there. Use cases are different though, so.

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        That still doesn’t fully erase the data though. It just tells the computer that that space on the drive is available to be overwritten, but the 1s and 0s are still recoverable

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          Right, right. I understand that. I was just explaining why the option is good for people like me. I don’t take nudes, and I don’t receive nudes, so I don’t mind if the data is still there or not. I’m just glad the photo of me and my friend was still there when I noticed it was missing from my album after a recent meme deletion spree. lol

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      If every time an OS had to delete something it had to fill the space with zeros or garbage data multiple times just to make extra sure it’s gone, we’d all be trashing our flash chips very fast, and performance would be heavily degraded. There really isn’t a way around this.

      The solution to keep private files private is to put them into an encrypted container of some sort where you control the keys.

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        Step away from hardware constraints for a moment, and consider the OS:

        If the OS says a file is deleted, under no circumstances should the OS be able to recover it. Sure, certain tools may exist to pull it back; but it should be unavailable to the OS after that. And yet, apparently a software update was enough to recover these files. Thus, the concerns about data safety in an environment where the OS cannot be trusted to remove data when it says it has been removed.

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          So let’s stop calling it “deleted” then, and call it what it is. “Forgetting”.

          I’m not sure what you actually want the OS to do about it other than as I said, fill it with random data.

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            I think this is just semantics at this point, but to me there is a difference between “deleted” and “erased”. I see deleted as the typical “moved to trash” or rm action, with erased being overwritten bits, or like microwaving a drive.

            Edit - If i remember correctly deleting something in most OS’s/File Systems just deletes the pointer to that file on disk. The data just hangs out until new data is written to that sector. The solution, other than the one you mentioned about encrypting stored data and destroying the key when you want the data “deleted”, would be to only ever store data in volatile memory. That would make for a horrendous user experience though.

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              You can delete files by overwriting the data. On Linux its shred -zu [file]. Its slow but good to do if you are deleting sensitive data.

              Its good its not the standard delete function.

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                Question: what fraction of bits do you need to randomly flip to ensure the data is unrecoverable?

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                  If you delete normally, only the index of the files are removed, so the data can be recovered by a recovery program reading the “empty” space on the disk and looking for readable data.

                  If you do a single pass erase, the bits will overwritten one time. About half the bits will be unchanged, but that makes little difference. Any recovery software trying to read it will read the newly written bits instead of the old ones and will not be able to recover anything.

                  However, forensic investigation can probably recover data after a single pass erase. The shred command defaults to 3 passes, but you can do many more if you need to be even more sure.

                  Unless you have data that someone would spend large sums on forensics to recover, 1 to 3 passes is probably enough.

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                  Information theory aside: In practice all because you can’t write bit-by-bit and if you leave full bytes untouched there still might be enough information for an attacker to get information, especially if it’s of the “did this computer once store this file” kind of information, not the actual file contents.

                  If I’m not completely mistaken overwriting the file once will be enough to prevent recovering with logical means, that is, reading the bits the way the manufacturer intended you to, physical forensics can go further by being able to discern “this bit, before it got overwritten, was a 1 or 0” by looking very closely at the physical medium, details on how much flipping you need to defeat that will depend on the physical details.

                  And I wouldn’t be too terribly sure about that electro magnet you built into your case to erase your HDD with a panic button: It’s in a fixed place, will have a fixed magnetic field, it’s going to scramble everything sure but the way it scrambles is highly uniform so the bits can probably be recovered. If you want to be really sure buy a crucible and melt the thing.

                  Also, may I interest you in this stylish tin-foil hat, special offer.

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        Well, the storage device should handle that then. And modern NVMEs do. Self-encrypted drives are used to hide deleted information from an attacker that desolders the storage chips.

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      Imo there should be options for standard deletion and total deletion. Standard is faster, puts less wear on the drive, and keeps the files potentially recoverable, whole total would make it totally unrecoverable at the expense of taking slightly longer and putting a bit more wear on the drive

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        The second drive bay is the right size for a handy block of data erasing c4

        No one will ever read my Zuck / Bezos fanfic.

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          Lol. I actually used to know a guy that claimed he used to have computer setup with a small thing to thermite on his hard drive and had set it up so if there were too many wrong passwords it would set the igniter off for the thermite. I don’t know if you really, did but he definitely had the technical skills to do that. He was one of those extreme early adopters of BSD and Linux who never used GUI. Oh and he was batshit crazy, legitimately I can see him thinking that was a good idea.

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      The OS should never let that happen. It always should abstract the partition into a filesystem.

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      I don’t care how

      grabs your phone, throws it on the ground and blasts it with a shotgun

      There you go! =)

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          Hmm. I don’t know. Like, the actual surface involved in the storage is a lot smaller than the actual phone, and I imagine that you may-or-not destroy it with a given pellet.

          I remember '80s movies – from a time when a lot of people weren’t all that personally-familiar with computers – where someone “destroying a computer” consisted of shooting its screen, which might be not that far off what would be happening. here. In fact, I bet that that probably has a TV Tropes entry.

          googles

          Well, they have a guy punching it, same kind of idea.

          https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComputerEqualsMonitor

          I will destroy this machine!

          Yes! Now the other side will have to spend a whole $100 to replace it!

          Might be kind of the same idea, just writ small.

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            I’ve started seeing people, who really should know better, referring to the PC tower as the CPU. As in, “I bought a bracket that mounts to my variable height desk which can hold my CPU up off the floor and let it move with my desk”.

            Bro I’m looking at a picture of a custom water cooled PC here, you should know the fucking difference between a CPU and a computer case.

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              I learned everything about how to build a PC from buildapc… like 12 years ago. Nowadays it has been infested by idiots who don’t know shit but act like they do, and also think more RGB = more better.

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                I don’t know what happened, but I put together a PC for the first time in some years, and holy mother of God, all the components have RGB LEDs slapped on them now. I had to actively work to find parts that didn’t have RGB LEDs on them (and I still accidentally wound up with some on the motherboard). I mean, yeah, LED case fans have been a thing for a while, and there was always a contingent that put electroluminescent strips on their computers. And it kinda grew into a lot of keyboards and mice. But now it’s a large portion of CPU fans, most cases, RAM sticks have RGB LEDs, motherboards have RGB LEDs. I didn’t have trouble finding non-RGB LED NVMe storage, or non-RGB LED SATA drives, but even there, you can get them. Hell, there are RGB LED cables.

                I can only assume that a large portion of the people building PCs these days are doing it to have them physically blinged up.

                Like, nothing wrong with wanting to do that, but I couldn’t believe the tiny proportion that wasn’t doing that.

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                  The only way my box is blinged up is with tastefully beige-brown fans. I actually felt slightly betrayed by Noctua when they started making black fans.

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              You know what? They’re technically correct. There’s historically plenty of computer systems which came in multiple different cases, sometimes that’s still the case but the most obvious examples are historical, where you would get something like the CPU (yes) in one case and then a huge-ass card reader in another case and drum memory in yet another. Those drums were used as RAM. Each case was standing on the floor, at least chest-high.

              Simply integrating various peripherals into the CPU doesn’t make the CPU any less of the CPU. Even ignoring the case thing and just looking at the CPU package (or even die): Modern CPUs contain a lot of things that would’ve been external to it, or even in a different case, in the past. You’ll hear the term “SoC”, system on a chip, thrown around but that’s misleading most CPUs nowadays are SoCs: You have your CPU cores, yes, but you also have a memory controller, you have storage interfaces and general IO (PCIe is a storage interface), as well as a GPU. It’s been a long time since mainboards came with northbridges. Newer CPUs may have enough memory on package to reasonably run without external memory (and not just “use the cache as ram during early boot” kind of stuff).

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              Eh, that’s been a thing for a long time. Decades at least.

              I think that the problem is that there isn’t really a great term to clearly refer to the “non-monitor-and-peripherals” part of the “computer”. “Case” would refer to just the case, not what’s in it. “Tower” or “desktop” is overspecific, refers to particular form factors. I have a tower, but some people have under-monitor desktops (though that’s rare today) or various times of small form factor PCs. If I say “computer”, that doesn’t really clearly exclude peripherals.

              And honestly, we don’t really use the term “GPU” quite correctly either. I’ll call a whole PCI video card a “GPU”, but I suppose that strictly-speaking, that should only be talking about a specific chip on the card.

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                8 bit games would label the computer player as CPU as a shorthand, I honestly probably got snapped at by a nerd sometime in my teens for making the mistake and got the central processing unit lecture so I don’t really make that association but I also never heard anyone pronounce “NES” not as an acronym prior to YouTube, so, I figure different people have different experiences also.

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      But as a user, when I delete something, it should go away forever.

      Years of working tech support in my past tells me that this is a lie. “OMG restore this!”

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        I think tech would be a better place if it did actually go away when you deleted things. If something’s not explicitly backed up people really should have no hope of bringing it back.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Apple appears to have a bug that’s dredging up data that iPhone owners thought was gone.

    Some iPhone owners are reporting that, after updating their phones to iOS 17.5, their deleted photos — some quite old — are popping up again, according to a Reddit thread that MacRumors spotted.

    People reporting the apparent bug say that they’re seeing old photos appear in their Recents album after Monday’s update.

    iOS does give users the option to restore deleted photos, but after 30 days, they’re supposed to be permanently removed.

    The person who started the thread claimed that NSFW photos they had deleted “years ago” were back on their phone.

    Computer data is never actually “deleted” until it’s overwritten with new 1s and 0s — operating systems simply cut off references to it.


    The original article contains 288 words, the summary contains 131 words. Saved 55%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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        Indeed. But Apple does have the tech to analyze images/videos:

        Apple’s CSAM detection capability is built solely to detect known CSAM images stored in iCloud Photos that have been identified by experts at NCMEC and other child safety groups.

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            ok so probably not, CSAM detection, specifically modern detection the kind that MS does, is based on image hashes, and how it works is that the law collects and creates the hash sets for these images, and distributes them to tech companies, who can then use them to calculate against hashes of existing photos, and if a match returns, ladies and gentleman, we got em.

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      There’s a post on reddit about some dude who gave his phone to a friend (wiped it, new iCloud, everything), and the undeleted photos are from when OP owned the phone.

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        With a factory reset the phones encryption keys will be destroyed and nothing should be retrievable from that device. Even if the data isn’t overwritten, without the encryption key no one could read it.

        At least that’s my understanding of the modern safety- and encryption features of recent phone models/mobile OS’s.

        The worst part: Apple’s iCloud is end-to-end encrypted and even Apple can’t see the users files, at least that is what they say.

        If what the dude on Reddit states is true, then this is bad, really really bad! 😮

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          It does happen I have a buddy who sold his phone to another buddy they reset it but there was still random files and stuff on it even after factory reset

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          Not all of iCloud is end to end encrypted unless you manually activate their extra secure mode (which disables a few features too)

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          you can enable end to end encryption, it’s optional. I don’t think it’s enabled by default.

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        Of course it’s company policy to never imply ownership in the event of a nude. It’s always the indefinite article “a” nude. Never “your” nude.

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    Dang must suck being on a proprietary locked down platform you have no control over. That’s literally impossible on my deGoogled android running GOS.

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    Nothing sinister, we just don’t delete what we say we delete. Instead we keep it in your profile to feed the algorithms and set the “deleted” flag to make you think it’s gone.

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      They don’t care about your security or privacy, they care about being the exclusive vendor of your personal information.

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      That’s how a lot of people handle deleted data in database, it’s literally just a flag. That’s why there’s a recommendation to edit Reddit posts before deleting them, to ensure they’re actually overwritten so they can’t just be restored.

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        Every time someone says something like this I have to explain CDC and regular old backups. There’s no way in hell Reddit doesn’t keep cold and hot backups of their shit. And while Reddit is unlikely to be doing CDC for soc2 or other compliance reasons, it’s the easiest method to capture data for analytics purposes.

        CDC stands for change data capture. It’s generally done with databases by streaming the change log or ref log to a bucket or a service like Kafka where you can fast forward and rewind the log queue to see the state of the DB at any point in time. Even if you edit your comments it’s likely sitting in a Kafka topic or a snowflake bucket outside of the DB or cache used for the presentation layer.

        Zero large scale websites operate with a truly single data store. There is always another layer that your user operations don’t impact

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          Yes, that’s certainly possible, but it’s also out of my control. I have basically three options:

          1. Delete account - we know this doesn’t delete comments
          2. Delete comment - “seems” to delete comments, but we’ve seen comments get restored - so probably using a “deleted” flag
          3. Edit comment with nonsense and when delete - should poison comment if they’re just using the deleted flag

          That’s it. There’s no guarantee it works, but it has a much higher chance of working than the other two.

          And there’s a good chance they delete old backups. Hosting every edit is expensive, so there’s a decent chance they clean up old data after some months.

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            In 2019 the total size of the text stored by Reddit was only 50TB. A Petabyte of data in cold storage is only 12k a year so even if they 500x in size since 2019 (very unlikely) it’s a drop in their ARR. given they sell the data for advertising and for AI, they are not deleting it. Reddit also self hosts a lot of their infra (they used to present their architecture at kubecon) so the storage costs would be even lower

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      I mean, to be completely fair, that’s how data storage works.

      We cannot really just make data disappear, so we let it get overwritten instead

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        Proper deletion should include writing all ones or all zeroes to the block but y’all be lazy as fuck.

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          yeah cuz for normal, day-to-day use that’s exponentially slower the more you’re deleting

          You can do that when you wipe something.

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          Only necessary on the ol spinning rust, with SSDs not only is it completely unnecessary, but it also burns extra writes.

          Spinny’s store data magnetically on the platter with 1s and 0s, SSDs store data on the NAND as a held charge. If there’s a charge in the block it’s a 1 if there’s no charge it’s a 0.

          With spinny’s, a file gets marked as “deleted” but the residual magnetic 1s and 0s will remain on the platter until eventually overwritten

          With SSDs a file gets marked “deleted” and within no more than a few minutes TRIM comes along and ensures the charge on the NAND is released for that data, there’s no residuals to worry about like with spinny’s and is in fact necessary to ensure decent lifespans.

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            Wow, the SSD can hold the charges perfectly while unplugged for ages? Amazing.

            In a post apocalyptic world where I am in charge of building a storage drive and I’m given all the instructions and fabs, the world is going without storage.

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              Wow, the SSD can hold the charges perfectly while unplugged for ages? Amazing.

              Yup. Before flash memory, devices like video game cartridges which had game saves actually needed a battery to power the memory holding the saves.

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            But wouldn’t TRIM be the deleting he is requesting? Removing the charges would be setting all the bits in that block to the same value.

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          I’m not an expert, but wouldn’t proper deletion be writing random ones and zeroes to the block? Multiple times?

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          That just makes no sense to do, modern storage is write limited. As long as you used encryption the old bits mean nothing to anyone but you.

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        But clearly the data is not overwritten and this was intentional. How do I know? Because that would amount to a massive amount of data, if it was de to a bug in Apple software or underlying filesystems, it would be detected in monitoring systems “Hey, we’re using 10x the data we should be, maybe we should look into it”.

        The mistake was in the flag code that was supposed to fool us.

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          no when I say “overwritten” I mean that the area is set as deleted in the filesystem and the next time something writes to that area the data that was there before is disregarded.

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            and the next time something writes to that area the data that was there before is disregarded.

            A single overwrite might not be enough to defeat physical forensics because shadows of the old data persist in how the new data is stored. Also when it comes to SSDs you might be waiting a long time for the data to get overwritten as the drive will wear-level its erm sectors (what are those things called with SSDs?).

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            So are you saying that they suffered from a filesystem bug that caused deletion failure? I’d imagine they use standard filesystems on their backend, I haven’t heard about any bugs like this.

            If you ask me, what’s more likely, that a company known for shitty behavior lies about deleting files so they can continue to use that information to profit, – OR – that they are experiencing a filesystem bug on their backend, I’ll choose the former.

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              no I don’t believe a damn word of what apple’s gonna say on this, I just wanted to get the message out there that generally file deletion works by allowing data to be overwritten, so if the images are local this could very well just be that either it’s showing data that hasn’t been overwritten yet or it accidentally brought things out of the “recently deleted” depending on how long ago it was deleted.

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              Undeleting nudes

              That’s iPhone

              Seriously: I don’t think the cost benefit is there to intentionally make a maneuver like this. Any crap they pull needs to have a perfectly proper explanation, with our agreement to a specific term buried somewhere in their policies. Can only imagine how much money they blew throwing these billboards up all over the San Francisco Bay area. We have to buy Apple over Google for ostensible privacy gains, and Apple has to lock us in to their walled gardens to make up for their comparatively smaller ad/data business.

              This post assumes Apple is aethical (that’s like amoral but for ethics right?) but still a self-interested economic actor. They can’t let short-term greed get in the way of long-term greed!

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                Seriously: I don’t think the cost benefit is there to intentionally make a maneuver like this.

                You might be right

                They can’t let short-term greed get in the way of long-term greed!

                lol

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        the shred command in Linux tries to do this, but it may not work if the hardware moves rewritten data blocks around to mitigate wear.

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          shred doesn’t even necessarily work at the OS level. If you use something like ext3 and I assume ext4, normally when you overwrite data in a file, you’re not overwriting data even at the logical level in the block device. Journalling entails that you commit data to somewhere else on the disk, then update the metadata atomically to reference the new data.

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        That’s skipping over the fact that recovering deleted data, even if it isn’t overwritten, is not an “oops”. It it takes extra effort, and if that data isn’t being protected it would be overwritten incidentally as drives are used.

        There is a big difference in a database between “flagging” data and actually removing the association of the data to the database.

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    If you never had any nudes in the first place, and update, is there a chance to get some?

    Asking for a friend.

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      I think that already happened and was called “The Fappening”. You can still find it with Google.

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        Every time I go looking, there’s a barren desert of male/gay content. In some lateral communities, furry porn is beating the content ratio like 10:1.

        Y’all need to hold your phones or something while you browse the 5 billion straight communities, give me something that’s not weeks+ old. Uncut guys to the front of the queue, thanks. 📸

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        The only problem with that server is there are tons of shit you’d rather not see. It’s sadly not as easy to filter like the reddit porn subs are.

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          Is it that bad? I’ve been making a habit of blocking every community that shows up that I don’t want to see. So these days I rarely see stuff I really don’t want to see.

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    I dont trust that client side scanning or other system components arent going through these half deleted files

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    The article is being disingenuous about data not being deleted unless it’s overwritten with 1’s and 0’s. Technically that’s true, but:

    Most data being deleted is equivalent to a piece of paper being placed in a trashcan, and it’s “permanently” deleted when that trash gets hauled away to a landfill (or supposedly recycling but that’s another topic). Technically it’s still forensically accessible, but it isn’t accessible by any normal means. That piece of paper may not have been incinerated, but for the majority of practical purposes, it’s gone.

    Apple never hauled the trash away, even though they claimed they did. There should be no way for them to accidentally restore those photos, just like there’s no way for you to accidentally get a piece of paper back in your trash bin after it’s been sent to a landfill.

    Focusing on the 1s and 0s skips past the fact they failed to complete the first, obvious, essential step. If they didn’t delete it the simple way, they would never have gotten to the 1s and 0s step. This isn’t just a simple oversight, and those pictures were still very easily accessible, just not to the people who should have been in control of them.

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      In your analogy, they never even put the photos in the trash can. They just put a postit on them saying “don’t show to user”. Then the updated software forgot about the postits (and started to post tits).