“Nobody died in the Holocaust, either. That’s the truth. It should happen. Six million Jews should die right now ‘cause they cause all the problems in the world. But it never happened.”
-Rosanne Barr
She says this, while calling other people Nazis, how the fuck does that logic work?
You, as a presumably sane person, expect words to mean things. Fascists don’t like that. They overwhelm people by repeating words ad nauseam until they no longer mean any thing, except a vague (usually negative) emotion.
When they pour their insane word salad over their followers it is not even supposed to follow any logic or convey any thing. It is just a stream of emotions, giving them a high on fear and anger.
The whole thing is about as logical, and as dangerous, as drugs.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Though I think Roseanne might be more stupid than nefarious, it’s basically the same.
How much longer are we going to allow this “free speech” that is just blatant lies and harmful. Like at one point speech stops being free, and thats when it is fucking harmful. I have a great uncle I would have met otherwise had the Nazis not been fucking around in Europe. We have a rapidly growing intellectual problem.
I’m Canadian and we have hate speech laws. You can say your backwards ass bullshit, but if you call for the death of people like she did in her comment, she would be charged.
You can write reasonable legislation that illegalizes calls for harm like her’s (“millions of jews should die”). Because this is just hate speech and misinformation. We can verify the Holocaust happened. If this people with influence want to run around saying it did not we should have legal recourse to shut them up and make them pay for damages. Now we have countless idiots idling around thinking the Holocaust was fake. Speech has consequences, it is mever truly free.
The laws we have require an imminent threat against a specific person.
We need new laws to tamp down the blatant lying.
If like to see a law that everyone gets one official internet account and it’s tied to your real identity, and you can still post anonymously but anything posted anonymously has no username attached to it. Just “anonymous.”
If you want likes or comments or followers, or if you want to have any kind of identity at all attached to your post, it must be your real identity.
That’s a terrible idea from a privacy standpoint, not to mention that absolute nightmare of giving the government to authority to identify and prosecute liars, whomever they deem them to be.
Not what I said. With my magic wand, you can still lie, anonymously or not anonymously.
If it’s anonymous, you have no way to gain followers or be seen as any different from anyone else shouting anonymously into the internet void. There’s no link to your name, no profile, no way to even see one anonymous poster’s prior posts/content.
If you post lies using your account, your lies are attached to your real name and identify and you at least cannot lie about who you are, because everyone only gets one internet account, like a federally issued unique token that you must input when making an account on any website. Again, in this scenario, I have magic wand. I could certainly be done tech wise, maybe with biometrics.
I don’t mean to put words in your mouth, but that’s what I see happening when you implement “laws to tamp down the blatant lying”. Maybe I’m just paranoid, but I don’t trust any sort of diet social credit score.
She says this, while calling other people Nazis, how the fuck does that logic work?
You, as a presumably sane person, expect words to mean things. Fascists don’t like that. They overwhelm people by repeating words ad nauseam until they no longer mean any thing, except a vague (usually negative) emotion.
When they pour their insane word salad over their followers it is not even supposed to follow any logic or convey any thing. It is just a stream of emotions, giving them a high on fear and anger.
The whole thing is about as logical, and as dangerous, as drugs.
Sartre had a quote about this! https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity
Though I think Roseanne might be more stupid than nefarious, it’s basically the same.
there ain’t room for logic in their heads, not with all the lead and shit up there already.
How much longer are we going to allow this “free speech” that is just blatant lies and harmful. Like at one point speech stops being free, and thats when it is fucking harmful. I have a great uncle I would have met otherwise had the Nazis not been fucking around in Europe. We have a rapidly growing intellectual problem.
I’m Canadian and we have hate speech laws. You can say your backwards ass bullshit, but if you call for the death of people like she did in her comment, she would be charged.
What would be your recommended action to this “free speech”?
You can write reasonable legislation that illegalizes calls for harm like her’s (“millions of jews should die”). Because this is just hate speech and misinformation. We can verify the Holocaust happened. If this people with influence want to run around saying it did not we should have legal recourse to shut them up and make them pay for damages. Now we have countless idiots idling around thinking the Holocaust was fake. Speech has consequences, it is mever truly free.
Calling for violence against people already is a crime. Perhaps we just need to enforce the laws we already have?
The laws we have require an imminent threat against a specific person.
We need new laws to tamp down the blatant lying.
If like to see a law that everyone gets one official internet account and it’s tied to your real identity, and you can still post anonymously but anything posted anonymously has no username attached to it. Just “anonymous.”
If you want likes or comments or followers, or if you want to have any kind of identity at all attached to your post, it must be your real identity.
That’s a terrible idea from a privacy standpoint, not to mention that absolute nightmare of giving the government to authority to identify and prosecute liars, whomever they deem them to be.
Where’d you get that, prosecuting liars?
Not what I said. With my magic wand, you can still lie, anonymously or not anonymously.
If it’s anonymous, you have no way to gain followers or be seen as any different from anyone else shouting anonymously into the internet void. There’s no link to your name, no profile, no way to even see one anonymous poster’s prior posts/content.
If you post lies using your account, your lies are attached to your real name and identify and you at least cannot lie about who you are, because everyone only gets one internet account, like a federally issued unique token that you must input when making an account on any website. Again, in this scenario, I have magic wand. I could certainly be done tech wise, maybe with biometrics.
I don’t mean to put words in your mouth, but that’s what I see happening when you implement “laws to tamp down the blatant lying”. Maybe I’m just paranoid, but I don’t trust any sort of diet social credit score.
woa.
Yeah she went full Nazi.
It’s not meant to make logical sense.
So the racism can happen