I mean, duh!!
It’s a web version wrapped in some god-awful semi-native wrapper. Everything the app does is stored on the server. So, yes, like gmail, if you give it access to another IMAP account, the password is stored on the server BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS.
This isn’t a scandal. It shouldn’t be news.
The bigger discussion why are we pretending a server driven mail client is local?
That is the discussion. Microsoft is pretending by making it the upgrade path for two products which actually are local, and hoping users won’t notice.
At work I’ve been trying to use the new Outlook but the biggest gripe (other than this new news) is that it’s once again, a fucking Electron app and a lot of features have been cut.
I work at an MSP and people have mistakenly changed to the new Outlook, and then find things like their local mail rules stop working (because it doesn’t support those anymore), their custom accounting software that would compose an email in Outlook straight up won’t do that with new Outlook, for businesses it’s going to wreak havoc if Microsoft just force updates everyone.
At least m365 outlook / outlook 2016 counts as a different product as far as I’m aware, don’t think updating Mail will affect the real outlook
I don’t get why people still use Microsoft services. How many data privacy scandals do we need, so they understand? Or do they still not care?
Because they’re forced to? They own a large slice of enterprise.
In taking about personal email. I also use outlook at work because I’m forced to, but I would never let these bastards touch my private Mails.
It’s insanely cheap for what you get
Business wise it’s a no brainer
It’s honestly pretty expensive compared to the alternatives. If you compare a business setup with windows plus office etc plus the support fee you can get all of that for free plus a much lower support fee from a variety of independent companies with Linux and libreoffice. The typical office worker really doesn’t need the few corner cases where MS office maybe has an advantage. Honestly for a business I would even go with Google tools. Same data privacy issues, but at least the product works great. MS office in the cloud is hot garbage.
Well you got 15 words or so in before mentioning Linux.
What else would I mention? Some doesn’t have an office suite and figure is the only other competitor.
imnate compatibility with other organisations is a huge selling point.
For companies at a certain scale / within a certain field I don’t think it’s even up for discussion.
Because my line of work means I working corporations, and they ALWAYS run everything on the big names, Microsoft and Oracle.
At home, I have choice. At work, I must swallow.
At home, I have choice. At work, I must swallow.
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Yeah companies that choose otherwise are rare. But they do exist.
If you’re working with clients that requires you to have security certifications it can be a real pain in the ass to certify your setup for everything vs just using the 365 stack.
True. Hate it when people want the cert instead of actual security. But I know how the world ticks. Corporate usually doesn’t give you a choice.
And at work I don’t really care. It’s not my data they are “looking” at. It’s my employers.
I guess they won’t lose any corporate customers over this. The pure shit that it outlooks hasn’t scared anyone away yet.
I tried to delete ~7k emails today. I had to kill the process since it stopped responding. Wtf?
Even with search engines you can basically choose the Google index, the Microsoft index or the Amazon index
Yeah but at least Google offers a good search engine while sniffing all your data. Microsoft products are usually hot garbage, sniff your data and then loose it. Also what is the Amazon index?
I have a government job (shocking to me still) and everything is on Exchange and 365. I don’t know why, other than “nobody ever got fired for recommending IBM.”
People complain about Apple a lot but I think Microsoft is a much more annoying company and it is very difficult to avoid their products/services. Same with google
It’s basically just their Outlook web app. It offers no extra function, and breaks a LOT of old functionality.
There’s a registry key to turn off the button.
There’s a registry key to turn off the button.
Of course it’s a registry key.
A registry key which is probably reset every 3rd update anyway, as usual.
Common Microsoft L
Ubiquitous Microsoft L
not just login credentials, but all your mail, too, even if you aren’t using a microsoft-hosted mail account.
What are the more “trustworthy” email clients? Thunderbird still good?
the recent revamp of thunderbird is really good.
em client (commercial product, but free for some–2 mail accounts, home use only) is also a solid choice.
Personally disliked emclient and went back to outlook.
Maybe I’ll consider Thunderbird in the future now that it looks modern.
Already using Firefox.Why did you dislike eM Client?
I’ve been looking at it recently because I’m currently using Mailbird. In recent weeks they told us that support for their current client will stop in 12 months time and we need to get on their latest client, which they want a one off payment AND an annual subscription. What greedy ducks.
Some points I remember from the time I ditched it (around 3-5 years ago). They may changed them:
- The payment was linked to the version. Wanna get a new major version = pay for the new license. It’s like buying the MS 20xx package but in that case you only have the single client instead of a whole suite. (Ignoring the whole price difference)
- Client UI wasnt my cup of tea
- Multi account didnt feel as comfortable as it does feel on outlook.
- Had some issues connecting my Gmail accounts and keeping them connected. Not aware of any issues with outlook
- Afaik the database went bad at some point. Maybe imisremember it though
In essence, most issues were personal. Try it for yourself. Maybe the newer version suits you more than me!
Update: Seems like I either misremember it or I bought a license because of a feature (at the time). Anyway: They appear to have changed the licensing for home use to be free and only corporate users need to pay.
Yet another reason to use Thunderbird or Evolution. There must finally be mobile devices with Linux that are usable.
Both of those are usable but that’s about it. I use Evolution because it integrates with online accounts service well and I don’t have to mine for contacts, but overall it’s a sorry state of email clients in Linux world. Geary had nice ideas for a while, but it’s also dreadfully optimized and development has kind of stopped.
It’s also not such an easy to problem to solve either. Whole Gnome ecosystem got a lot better with new and modern applications with sleek designs, but email clients remain a pain in the ass.
I wish I was a good enough dev to write a swift keys replacement. There’s AnySoftKeyboard available, and they’re doing an amazing job with swipe input which I prefer, but there’s only so much one person can do.
FlorisBoard
Gesture typing is still in early development. The suggestions bar doesn’t work yet so it’s really hard to use. Nevertheless, looks promising, and it looks like development is starting back up. I’ll keep an eye on it.
I have yet to find an open-source keyboard with gesture typing that is anywhere near as usable as Gboard, unfortunately.
A compromise is this OpenBoard fork by Helium314 which is able to use Google’s proprietary gesture typing library, which can be downloaded and loaded manually if you want to enable it. It’s still a privacy improvement over using Gboard.
It’s just outrageous that we’re in 202-almost-4 and mail is still in use the way it is.
Seriously, the fix has been available for almost 30 years, no one has been able - or willing - to popularize it. Hmmm.
What’s the fix?
