Dr. Moose

It’s unrelated to the current topic but yes. Terms of service should be both ways. We already do that for user data through GDPR and similar laws and inevitably all users will have more rights including right to transparency.

I find it kinda funny that you argue against this on a platform that was founded because reddit was extremely opaque. We even have a transparent mod log here. So you really need more examples that transparency is good?

Nah man it’s completely different when society regulates itself through transparent rules vs opaque ones. It’s more organized and self balancing.

I never said it was a singular cause just a contributor

You have real stats to back that claim? Because leaving this up to benevolent dictators is kinda silly.

You don’t see how opaque manipulation fuels conspiracies and paranoia? Come on dude.

The rise of alt-right and conspiracies would be a one obvious one.

It’s definitely morally bankrupt imo and we can agree to disagree here as I don’t think this topic can be expanded further.

Effectiveness is irrelevant here. Breaking troll’s kneecaps would be very effective too.

This mental manipulation and gaslighting has no place in our society. We’re literally suffering the consequences of this right now.

Shadow banning is definitely too much imo. It’s simply unethical no matter how you look at it.

First, it doesn’t do anything to prevent bots. It takes less than a second for a bot to check whether they are shadow banned. It’s simply a tool to bully and gaslight people - just block them. Why these abusive games?

yeah but you don’t get to choose that. You give away that right as soon as you participate in public discourse. It’s a zero sum game - either it’s a public for everyone or no one.

Don’t get me wrong, Reddit is a bitch but I think people want to cut their noses off to spite their faces here. It’s much more important to have free information flow than to fuck reddit.

My fear is that people will vote in some really dumb rules to spite AI and restrict free information flow accidentally.

Scraping at scale is actually cheaper than buying API access. It’s a massive rising market, try googling “web scraping service” and there are hundreds of services that provide API to scrape any public web page and bypass the blocks for you and render all of the javascript.

It’s the opposite! There’s legal precedence that scraping public data is 100% legal in the US.

There are few countries where scraping is illegal though like Japan and China. European countries often also have things called “database protection” laws that forbid replicating public databases through scraping or any other means but that has to be a big chunk of overal database. Also there are personally identifiable info (PII) protection laws that protect storing of people data without their consent (like GDPR).

Source: I work with anti bot tech and we have to explain this to almost every customer who wants to “sue the web scrapers” that lol if Linkedin couldn’t do it, you’re not sueing anyone.

Fediverse is designed to do exactly that. It’s free flow of information which is a good thing. Don’t let corporations hijack this beautiful concept. We all want information to be free.

This form of propaganda is my pet peeve. It’s not “your posts” as soon as you put something to public you don’t get to eat your cake. It’s out there, you shared it. Don’t share it if you don’t want humanity to ingest and use it.

200usd is 10 months of chatgpt subscription. So it definitely has objective value. I’d buy it just make my own little bot or as casual toy. There’s no subscription or anything either.

I agree that the hate is meme levels of stupid. Sure the device sucks but people pick on the weirdest shit like “it uses android” or “it runs VM for actions that have no API” - well duuuuh.