I switched to listenbrainz as soon as I discovered it. I have been using last.fm since it was called audioscrobbler and migrated all my collection there. There’s some import bugs which make me need to manually replay my favorites in order to mark them in listenbrainz, but overall good process.

I love the public playlists feature. Finally a way to share playlists than doesn’t rely on spotify or youtube.

It’s neighbors discoverability needs more work though.

Recording of listens and then sharing it publicly allows to discoverability of more music.

No, the models is not in the commons. Their training data is also not known.

I mean, are you saying that anyone who makes anything should be allowed to sell what they make and anyone should be allowed to share it for free?

Precisely. I do not believe that treating intangible things like expressions or ideas as “property” is beneficial to humanity as a whole.

Or do you just think there is nothing special about AI art and all of everyone’s work should be in the public domain?

This. I do not support copyrights. They are a blight on human creativity since the first moment they were put into enforcement and all they did is make non-artistic middlemen rich.

All these problems we have now, is because we are trying to shoehorn a 100+ year old legal framework, created when people didn’t even consider something like the internet might exist, to generative AI. This won’t work. It will only be used to screw the poor even worse.

Likewise, I hope they don’t win, as that will give the richest tech companies so much more of a stranglehold.

I doubt there’s any chance of it happening anyway, since there’s a ton of money to be made and and there’s already countries which have rules this will never happen (Like Japan ), so it would mean they become the AI powerhouses

No. I reject you claiming such a power to deny.

You don’t need every artist to sell. Just enough. Likewise most artists already traded away their rights to the likes of Adobe and deviantart. And since there’s no real powerful artist union they all have basically 0 power compared to the capitalists who have more than enough economic power to get this done. Nothing will be fixed or prevented in this path. Only skewed even more in favour of the rich

They can sell it all they want, and then the buyer should be able to share it for free. I’m OK with people selling their labor.

Well, I think that removing copyrights altogether is in the public interest, so…there you go :)

Of course things are messy. I still think it’s the best option. I would say that yes, a character with AI eyes, would be public domain. Treat it like the GPL. If a small part of your code is GPL, all of your code has to be GPL.

Likewise, it isn’t easy to prove, people will get away with it doing in very small quantities and sufficiently reworking it, but extravagant examples would be caught, like serial plagiarists eventually are. The resulting loss in credibility could end careers. Of course, the best approach would be to completely remove copyrights altogether, then this wouldn’t be an issue at all.

Exactly. Make ALL output public domain. Force them to release their training sets. Force them to open source their models.

There will still be companies like Adobe and DeviantArt who will be able to work around this due to their ToS, but we have enough existing models to make them obsolete due to the power of FOSS.

Sure, that’s what they want. They want the backing of copyright strengthening from emotional reactions like yours so that the only ones able to do GenerativeAI is those few big companies. They’re playing you.

This is an extremely unpopular opinion,

Not in my instance ;)

Making only big companies able to “rip off your work” (not an accurate representation, but whatever) Is not the solution you think it is.

The only solution is to force all models trained on public data to not be covered by copyrights by default. Any output from those models should also by default be in the commons. The solution is to avoid copyright cartels, not strengthen them.

Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

They’re not the maintainer.

This is not the list maintainer. Just a rando who opened a request

Looks like someone noticed the PR and panicked. Then people someone crossposted here and people picked up the pitchforks a bit too early.

Piracy has always been the better choice

I actually disagree. Ai is great at doing the parts that are easy to do mentally but still take time to do. This “fancy autocomplete” is where it shines and can accelerate the work of a professional by an order of magnitude

Don’t you also get infinite spam?