Last chance:

If I understand you, the argument seems to be that if a white president had acted similarly Welch wouldn’t have made the Snoop connection but because Obama is black, that proves _______ Racism?! Do I have that right?

Is this correct and fair?

If I understand you, the argument seems to be that if a white president had acted similarly Welch wouldn’t have made the Snoop connection but because Obama is black, that proves _______ Racism?! Do I have that right?

I’m ultimately saying it was Obama who actually made the reference and Welch who connected the dots to SnoopDog. How is that racist? Lets focus on that because thats the substantive matter here. Is it racist to recognize a cultural reference and put a name to it?

If you continue to avoid that question there’s just not anything to discuss aha

Also, I don’t necessarily disagree with or have any issue with Obama just as I don’t necessarily agree that Welch was ultimately on the right side of the issue (ACA) in this instance but the notion he’s racist based on that is sort of laughable and hurts whatever cause or principle you’re arguing from. I might have to say “when” now cuz we’re not getting anywhere

Its not a useful point so I amended my comment. Still waiting for anything you can use that isn’t a silly Salon editorial and actually has an argument I can engage with

When you say “he”, who are you talking about?

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How’s that going to help? How is Matt Welch anything you said he is? You made the claim you need to back it up. You haven’t so far.

Why do you get to speculate about race stuff and then when a double standard is suggested you refuse to because now its suddenly a game?

That tells me you aren’t willing to engage with your own same standard which makes it objectively unreasonable. You know if you were forced to answer that you wouldn’t have an articulable basis to do so besides solipsistically citing some shoddy article so you change the rules so you can justify refusing to entertain logically equivalent claims that are problematic for your narrative

I don’t think what Welch said was racist or offensive and I do think what Snoop said was racially-charged and more offensive altho nobody probably cared because it was funny and entertaining.

This whole thing is ridiculous and no, my true self is tolerant of all races. I care about ideas and people getting along in a pluralistic society, not rich white people settling ideological scores because they have time and nothing better to focus on.

I just think you made a basically libellious and nonsensical claim and just because you have a Salon article that says what you want to hear and signal (which consequently fails to persuade at all) doesn’t mean you get to make claims like that without being called on to justify it.

If you took that to a court of law and tried to make a case there you would be laughed out because there is zero substance to it and your claim.

Also, its not about playing a game or whataboutism, you aren’t being consistent. I have a problem when its ok for one group of people to say and do something that for the other group to do in the exact same context or equivalency would be considered “racist”.

So why is Ok for SnoopDog to do this

How is quoting alluding SnoopDog racist?

we will call you out — Obama

we will shut you down — Snoop

Snoop is gangsta. Literally a former gang member who got off a murder rap. He was making a comparison to Obama being gangsta because Obama said something similar to a line in a SnoopDog song and Welch picked up on that and basically did a meme or something.

I don’t particularly care about what the race of the subject and the comparison and the writer is, how is that offensive? There was a plausible nexus between Obamas words and Snoops lyrics, they just happen to both be black but so what?

Edit:

1. Obama makes pop-culture reference to Snoop in service of his political messaging
2. Matt Welch recognizes reference and points it out in service of own political messaging

How is anybody racist, really?

Ah ok, like (not everyone) they spend so much time having to do everything and be leaders that they need to compensate by someone (sexually) taking the reins

Ya that’ll do!

Ah k but I still think its worthwhile to address it, I think I actually upvoted you because I wanted to take a stab at the idea not you ;)

Edit: Ya I definitely upvoted u. I’m weird like that, a comment has to be pretty agregious or me pretty out of sorts to generally downvote something I think is relevant even if its disagreeable

I mean…

What is his enmeshment or is that more of a US political system issue in general? Something something A-dee-el?

Trump literally made Jerusalem the capital or some shit. Why do you think he’s going to be any tuffer on Israel + Netanyahoo?

Ouch heehee ;) Too much bad thinkings while bad drivings

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Which is objectively terrifying. Very dangerous approach, Cotton

How do you feel about the idea of Trump winning? That’s acceptable to you?