• @Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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    635 months ago

    Yup. They are already discussing the vile things they can do to the Ukrainians on Russian state TV. Thanks Republicans. Thanks Moscow Mitch.

  • @randon31415@lemmy.world
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    295 months ago

    Time for Urkane to heavily mine the line of contact, entrench, and wait for Jan 2025. If U.S. pulls support and Russia is unable to take any major town over all of 2024 while still loosing 10:1 in deaths, I would call that a win.

    • @stoy@lemmy.zip
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      115 months ago

      I am not allways in favor of landmines, not even in this case, but here I feel less strong about about it…

      I sometimes think that there should be landmines that deactivate themselves after 15 years, but I can never figure out any concept that would be 100% reliable and more importantly, 100% verifiable.

      And unless you get 100% on both, the concept is mostly useless…

      • @ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
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        75 months ago

        I would assume you could do a chemical solution to this, where the explosive slowly oxidizes instead of quickly. But that would slowly degrade the effectiveness of the explosive, while likely increasing manufacturing cost exponentially.

        • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
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          95 months ago

          Not to mention you’d need to constantly be producing mines to replace the ones that degrade while in storage

        • @stoy@lemmy.zip
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          35 months ago

          Yeah, I have thought about that as well, but how would you verify that all mines in an area has been neutralized, would you ever have your son and daughter play in an area where the only guarrantee that the mines are safe, is that they should be safe after X years, I wouldn’t…

          • @ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
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            15 months ago

            You’d have to verify in production. While producing the mine you’d verify that it’s built with the thing that makes sure it degrades… Whatever handwaving thing that is…

            But then you’d have to verify that only those mines were used in that area instead of cheaper forever mines…

            Really it’s all a trust thing. You can never actually be 100% sure there’s not a live explosive in an area that has seen war in the past, without completely excavating to an undisturbed substrate all over. Even if those explosives “should” have been safe after x years.

      • @MrEff@lemmy.world
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        They already have this. It has been around for about 20+ years now and is actually the preferred solution in the west for a very long time. Most of the land mine treaties require it too. On that note, the US and Russia are not signed onto most of those treaties. The US didn’t want to sign due to certain requirements that seemed militarily poor, too much mandatory reporting that seemed like a security risk for leaks, and too restricted, but was fine with the self disabling mines (because who do you think makes most of them?). Russia disagreed because they don’t have the money to switch to new manufacturing and didn’t care if they don’t disable over time.

        The most common design is a UV degrading plastic that will break down over some determined amount of time. Or another method is an internal degrading plastic that degrades over time. Either way the trigger mechanism becomes inert after a while. This has then led to issues with locals harvesting old inactivated mines for their still usable explosives and using it in other things (IEDs)

        There are also some designs with self detonating ones, to mitigate the above problem, but have been met with questionable results. It does stop the issue of explosive harvesting, but now you have a field that randomly explodes and can’t really promise that they all exploded, so there might be some that are still live out there after the locals are told it should be safe.

        There has also been attempts to make remote controlled mines. Mines that can be remotely disabled for friendly troops, then reenabled for defense, then remotely detonated when done with. But there are obvious electronic warfare issues. The concept is basically reattempted then quickly reabandoned about every decade.

        • @stoy@lemmy.zip
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          35 months ago

          Wow.

          I didn’t expect such a detailed response, thank you!

          I have thought most about having the explosive degrade over time, with little thought to the casing, as just as you mention the explosive would still be left behind…

          You mention self detonating mines, and a field randomly exploding, that is good as it gets rid of the explosive, but it is noisy, and still quite dangerous.

          I have thought about having a mine use an explosive that can burn without exploding, that with a vented casing could be a solution, there could be a mechanism that ignites the explosive to burn, the heat melts the sesl around vents, and during the burn the mine casing would deform which would indicate it being inert (standard UXO precautions still apply obviously…), the issue here is the heat generated, that could set the field ablaze in dry environments, causing worse devestations to an area…

          This is a difficult question to answer…

        • clif
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          25 months ago

          but now you have a field that randomly explodes

          That’s not a sentence I expected to read today.