• Pretzilla@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Yes a big risk. Both natsec and IP theft are major concerns and cars are fully mic’d and compromisable.

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      2 months ago

      Then he should solve the issue by requiring the code to be hosted on American servers with source code inspection.

      Not by making EVs unaffordable.

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        2 months ago

        Novel idea: make a car, not a cloud service. My phone is better at navigation etc anyways.

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        2 months ago

        “source code inspection.”

        Great idea. That way it can be put on pause indefinatly because that shit takes years.

        On top of it. You can NEVER be certain anyway because there’s code burnt into the chips that you cannot read.

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          Then make it so the manufacturer cannot just push cloud updates without permission from an oversight committee.

          Raising the price does nothing at all to fix the security issues.

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            Fix no, reduce attack surface 100%. Lets say hypotheticaly u know a foreign country is going to fuck u in the ass would you A let them fuck u with 60million dicks or B make it expensive so u are getting fucked over less.

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            2 months ago

            It’s just not the same to review code that runs a slot machine.

            And code that runs a whole car.

            One of the two is a whole lot more complex and probably had millions of lines more than the other.

            I’ll let you guys which is which

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      2 months ago

      Do you have a phone in your pocket?

      If you do then congratulations. All of the data your car would collect is already out there for sale to the CCP.

      If you’re talking about people who have high level sensitive conversations in cars, then yes. But that’s an incredibly small group and they have those conversations in government vehicles that are all made in the US.

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        Yes, it runs grapheneos.

        Irrelevant.

        I’m talking about the mass deployment of spying devices across an entire country mapping every street running facial recognition collecting military related data. The idiot who buys the var who cares its everyone else.

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          The data they can just scrape from Google maps? Hell they can see where soldiers are deployed because of their fitness apps sharing running routes on social media.

          This is black helicopter level conspiracy shit.

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            2 months ago

            Riiiight so if its so conspiratorial why has China banned teslas from being within kilometres of any Chinese military establishment?

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        2 months ago

        Just because I already was backdoored without a lube by person A, doesn’t mean I’d love to be backdoored again by person B.

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          It doesn’t make sense to bar an entire sector of EVs over it either though. Caring about it only when that country does it is the peak of bigotry and simping for the executives who would happily grind you down for profit.

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            I’d prefer to be ground down for profit by greedy american pigs than be put in a concentration camp by the CCP.

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              And how is the CCP going to put you in a camp in the US? You sound like conservatives who are afraid the UN will declare a peace keeping mission here.

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                What u think they will do if they invade/become the dominant global power. My country is at a far greater risk of Chinese invasion than urs. U set precidents the west follows like the good little vassals we are.

                As for the un thing that’s idiotic the us has veto power.

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      Then he should solve the issue by requiring the code to be hosted on American servers with source code inspection.

      Not put a gazillion dollar tarifs on them.

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        2 months ago

        Because no car company would ever lie about the software there cars are running or go to extreme measures to hide that its not what it claims to be when being tested.